“I think any normal, conscionable man would have to consider carefully doing something like this. I deliberated with great, soulful torment about this, and obviously I concluded that it could be done safely or I wouldn’t have done it.”
Dr John Bruce Jessen
The two psychologists who proposed interrogation techniques — widely viewed as torture — are part of a lawsuit filed on behalf of former C.I.A. detainees. Deposition videos, obtained exclusively by The New York Times, reveal new insights into the enhanced interrogation program and the CIA officials behind it. Follow us on Twitter: @INTEL_TODAY
In a recent piece, the NYT reported the following:
In his deposition, Dr. Mitchell, who once said that most people would prefer to have their legs broken than to be waterboarded, disagreed with a lawyer’s reference to the practice as painful.
“It sucks, you know. I don’t know that it’s painful,” he said. “I’m using the word distressing.”
Both Dr. Jessen and Dr. Mitchell rejected the notion that men subjected to the harsh techniques suffered any long-term physical or psychological damage.
“If they are out there and that happened, then, you know, show me the data,” Dr. Mitchell said. He added that if the techniques were applied as recommended, “my view is, that is so unlikely so as to be impossible.”
Not everyone agrees with Dr. Jessen and Dr. Mitchell on the long-term physical or psychological damage caused by waterboarding. Professor Annie Sparrow just published a letter in the NYT which I reproduce here with her kind permission.
A Letter from Annie Sparrow
In “Suit Gives New Details of Brutal Interrogations” (“Lasting Scars” series, front page, June 22), the two psychologists who guided the C.I.A. in its post-9/11 interrogations claim that waterboarding and other techniques widely condemned as torture cause no long-term physical or psychological damage.
That claim is incompatible with the experience of several hundred survivors of torture from Syria, Sudan and Afghanistan whom I have treated over two decades as a critical-care physician. The C.I.A.’s psychologists, by contrast, have no medical training on which to base this claim.
The characterization of waterboarding — a technique in which prisoners are deliberately suffocated to induce the terror of impending death — by one psychologist as “distressing” is a chilling illustration of his clinical inability to discern the difference between a life-threatening event and non-life-threatening event, let alone acknowledge waterboarding as a form of mock execution.
Americans seek accountability for the use of torture by the United States government. Citizens in North Carolina created a public commission, of which I am a member, to investigate the state’s role in rendition through an in-state C.I.A. contractor.
About Annie Sparrow
The writer is a professor of paediatrics and preventive medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai.
An Australian, Dr. Sparrow spent her first ten postgraduate years practicing pediatric intensive care and retrieval medicine in Britain and her native Perth, with research focused on the resuscitation of children with septic shock. A brief stint in Afghanistan under Taliban rule in 1999 led to an engagement in refugees and global health; such that the next few years were divided between providing urgent care in pediatric and adult tertiary institutions, clinical services to refugees in Australian holding facilities, and mobile primary health care for Aboriginals in remote communities (a collision of first and third world health).
Her first high-profile public-health effort was as a lead public advocate for refugees detained in punitive conditions in Australia. After completing an MPH at Harvard, she joined Human Rights Watch (HRW) as its first researcher with medical training, addressing HIV and sexual violence in conflict in Sudan and Chad, and provided testimony to the International Criminal Court about the widespread crimes against humanity committed by the Sudanese government in Darfur.
After HRW, she spent several years based in Nairobi working in various war-torn countries for the Emergency Response Team of Catholic Relief Services, and a further year as director of UNICEF’s malaria program in Somalia for the Global Fund against AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria.
Since 2013 her focus has been on the humanitarian and human rights catastrophe in Syria. She has travelled repeatedly to the Syrian border in the last four years, to document the health crisis and to train Syrian doctors in critical care, infectious disease and siege medicine. She has published widely on the public health crisis, including the systematic assaults on doctors and targeting of medical care, which she describes as the weaponization of healthcare: using people’s need for healthcare as a weapon against them. She has documented the re-emergence of poliomyelitis, the threat of cholera, the direct use of chlorine in chemical attacks and the manipulation of chlorine as an indirect weapon of biological warfare. [Mount Sinai School of Medicine]
C.I.A. Torture: Interrogating The Interrogators | The New York Times
CIA Asserts State Secrets Privilege in Torture Case — Secrecy News
The C.I.A. Psychologists — NYT
The CIA Psychologists — A Letter from Annie Sparrow